Stephen Curry and President Barack Obama are golf BFFs, and you might be surprised by which one of them has made a habit of winning when they go hit the links.

Curry and the first lady, Michelle Obama, appeared on “The Ellen DeGeneres Show” to continue to push their initiative of ensuring the youth get active and stay hydrated while doing so.

The reigning MVP also talked golf, and admitted that the POTUS usually beats him. He wouldn’t tell the world what Obama’s handicap is, though.

He did make sure to mention that Obama’s trash-talking game is strong. The first lady told Curry he should play back a bit there, and offered a nice jab to throw next time they hit the golf course:

“The shadow from your ears is really messing up my putt,” she zinged.

Obama, quietly, could be a beast on the golf course. He certainly plays enough.